What If Uncertainty Is Your Best Friend? with Jeffrey Schwab [cAS9jLnYtKy]
If you are stuck in a decision, waiting for clarity, or trying to control what comes next, this conversation is for you. In this episode of JORMAZIN`, I’m joined by Jeffrey Schwab, founder of Uncertain Pathfinders and wonderfully, Chief Possibility Officer. Together, we explore how uncertainty can become less of an enemy and more of a companion. Not because everything becomes easy. But because we may not need the whole path before taking one small honest step. Jeffrey uses coaching, facilitation, applied improv, and playful experimentation to help people meet the unknown with more curiosity, courage, and connection. In our conversation, he shares how improv shaped his relationship with uncertainty, why he chose to put the word “uncertain” into his work, and how small everyday experiments can shift the way we relate to not knowing. This episode is not about fixing uncertainty or forcing clarity. It is about moving from overthinking toward action. From control toward curiosity. From needing the perfect plan toward trusting the next small “bunny hop.” And from feeling alone in uncertainty toward remembering that not knowing is part of being human. In this conversation: How to move when clarity has not arrived yet Why uncertainty does not always mean you are lost How improv can help us trust what emerges What it means to choose curiosity over fear Why small “bunny hops” can be more useful than perfect long-term plans How playfulness can create connection, even in serious moments Why being too attached to outcomes can limit possibility A simple everyday exercise to shift your relationship with not knowing & Why saying “I don’t know” can be honest, human, and connecting Question for your week: Where in my life am I waiting for certainty before taking one honest step? Or more simply: What becomes possible if I let uncertainty be my friend for a moment? If this conversation supported you, follow or subscribe - and if someone came to mind while listening, send this episode to them. You’re amazing! Not because you always know the path. But because something in you can keep listening, choosing, and becoming, even when the path is unclear. Guest: Jeffrey Schwab Founder of Uncertain Pathfinders | Chief Possibility Officer 🌐 www.uncertainpathfinders.com 💼 Jeffrey on LinkedIn: 💼 Uncertain Pathfinders on LinkedIn: 🎧 Uncertain Pathfinders Podcast: available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube and other platforms Host: Jorma Co-Active Coach | 20+ years corporate 🌐 www.jormaschneider.com 📅 Free Chemistry Session: 💼 LinkedIn: Timestamps: 00:00:00 — The Running Bear cold open 00:00:16 — Welcome to JORMAZIN` 00:01:52 — Meet Jeffrey Schwab, Chief Possibility Officer 00:03:55 — How uncertainty became Jeffrey’s topic 00:06:09 — What improv teaches us about not knowing 00:08:39 — Jeffrey’s personal relationship with uncertainty 00:12:29 — Choosing curiosity over fear 00:12:46 — Rainbow thinking, bunny hops and small adventures 00:15:48 — Why structure does not always create certainty 00:17:30 — What happens when people start to play 00:23:34 — A live improv exercise: The Running Bear 00:32:38 — What children teach us about playfulness and uncertainty 00:37:20 — Being too attached to outcomes 00:42:28 — Simple exercises to embrace uncertainty today 00:48:46 — Where to find Jeffrey and Uncertain Pathfinders