If You’re Exhausted By The World, You Need To Hear This [AXEnsxSX3Sl]

What do you do when the world feels too hard, your heart feels too tender, and positivity sounds like a prank?

In this live conversation in Durham at the Historic Carolina Theatre, Kate Bowler (host of Everything Happens, author of Joyful Anyway) sits down with beloved writer Anne Lamott (Bird by Bird, Traveling Mercies) for a talk about faith, shame, aging, grief, and stubborn hopethe kind you can actually live.

Together, Kate and Anne explore:

- The 5 rules of being human (and why they train us to be ashamed)

- How to stay tender in ella langley a world that demands armor

- Why hope is a radical act (and sometimes looks like a food pantry run + Oreos)

- I need someone with skin on: love that shows up in real life

- What Anne has learned from people who are dying: the necklace of beads of love

- Writing, recovery, and learning bird by birdeven when youre full of shame

- The quiet miracle of small good things: pick up litter, give water, make art, keep going

If youre searching for faith that holds the ache, grace oklahoma city thunder vs lakers match player stats without denial, and permission to be joyful anyway, this episode is for you.

Joyful Anyway Tour + tickets: KateBowler.com/joyfulanyway

Anne Lamotts new book: Good Writing (with Neil)

Find Kate on Substack: katebowler.substack.com

Anne Lamott on Substack: (search Anne Lamott on Substack)

CHAPTERS

0:00 Intro + why this season matters

2:57 How old do you feel?

9:00 Childhood shame + being in charge of everyones happiness

14:00 The 5 rules of being human

19:10 Enduring the beams of love

20:51 Where love feels most cerebras absurd (and most real)

27:47 One does what one can (the sparrow + the darkness)

31:33 What do we do right now? (hope + action)

39:15 Poems: Maggie Smith + Naomi Shihab Nye (Gate A-4)

44:16 A blessing for enough

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